Home; Archivos. I didn't see him online. Caller: Oh yeah. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. The Idaho Department of Fish and Game last week killed a mountain lion that entered a Hailey family's chicken coop, marking the third time the agency has killed a mountain lion in the Wood River . Tell us your story. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. What do you think that. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, In latest school funding trial, state attorneys argue NH districts' budgets are bloated, Lawmakers, advocates, families in NH react to Biden Admin's proposed Title IX change, Give Back NH: The New England Grassroots Environment Fund, NHs housing crisis is pushing more older adults to seek help, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. Yeah I did. Tonight, Sean McDonald . I think that you probably are. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. So what counts as verifiable evidence? We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. So take care of this problem. Do they travel. 50 feet above the most. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. They are the same thing. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Think you've seen a mountain lion? I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. It's good to talk to you. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. They sent it already. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. I don't know if she still is. And the cougar embodies that. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Seems reasonable! Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. There are corollaries in other states. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Yes. (Credit: Buddy Wilkerson via Storyful) . He said matter of fact I do. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. Women control our lives. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. They just end up in these places. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal . Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. Part II. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. Jun 13, 2011. Deer manages to free itself from the claws of a mountain lion in Alpine, California. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Something along those lines. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Have a photo. You know interactions are pretty unusual. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. No doubt in my mind it was. So do they. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. The last Massachusetts Mountain Lion was killedaround 1858. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Let us know your story and share your photos! But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Share. It's bigger but bigger and better world. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. So so. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. That's too big for Bobcat. Osga's group of volunteers sent hair samples. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. The last known mountain lion killed in New Hampshire is displayed at the Woodman Museum in Dover. In latest school funding trial, state attorneys argue NH districts' budgets are bloated, Lawmakers, advocates, families in NH react to Biden Admin's proposed Title IX change, Give Back NH: The New England Grassroots Environment Fund, NHs housing crisis is pushing more older adults to seek help. Absolutely. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Infinite Scroll Enabled. There was a lot of DNA evidence. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. Okay. Theres tracks everywhere. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. Caller: I do. Good morning guys. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. A trail of DNA evidence collected over the years shows this particular mountain lion had traveled through New York, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. Think you've seen a mountain lion. Thank you. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. It was a 140-pound male mountain lion, the first confirmed in Connecticut in more than 100 years. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. Mountain lion or cat running across. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. 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