Messages. Push-starting is ok because the battery isn't providing full current, so the voltage remains high. Thanks "smark". I told them what the ussue was on day one. 2020 Abarth, Manual Transmission, Bose/Navigation, Veleno, Convenience, Record Monza. My daughter's 500L battery goes dead if the car sits for something like a week. The oil level is spot on. The car does remain unlocked. To the OP. this has been going on since i purchased the car new in 2012..500 POP standard trans. The only thing odd about the start was that much more smoke came out of the exhaust than I'm used to seeing, and it stank. By adding oil to the variable valve actuator assembly, or. No Crank No Start Diagnosis. This engine uses oil for lots of things and some of those things lose a little in the process. Replacing it may remedy the issue for a bit but it comes down to poor chassis ground to trans/starter . Any help would be greatly appreciated. You must log in or register to reply here. 2020 Abarth, Manual Transmission, Bose/Navigation, Veleno, Convenience, Record Monza. Check the connections, try jumping it, or swap in a new battery. I tried to find a real stick to force my daughter to learn to drive one but it was very difficult to find one near northwest Ohio with the rest of the options I wanted. It is a flaw of the MA brick absolutely, it is not the norm for any engine with an intake cam. Wolf, I pulled out about a half quart then added the same amount of fresh oil through the fill cap. I don't see that though. It is indeed a starter issue. If you are sure it's charging OK then that points to a dodgy battery not holding it's charge while standing or something that is drawing current while the vehicle is stood. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. There are many reasons that your 500 may not start. The pump will stop automatically in 3 or 4 seconds. We invite you to join the largest Fiat 124 Spider forum community & owners club! There were a couple cars on the studio lot, that wouldn't start. I may sell my Toy Car? Same here, Fiat 500, 15 months old, 8600 miles. I have been trying to engage the starter for about 4 seconds at a time ..maybe about 4 tries using this techniquethen i resort to push startingif i can find a parking attendant that is willing to help meafter 2 or 3 tries of popping the clutch, it has fired uphowever the power steering is inop until i reboot the power again..i think that is from the cutoff switch yeah, Russ, i was thinking the same thing about if I had tried cranking it a few more times b4 resorting to push starting, that it would have fired up .but i was worried about flooding then it would be a long wait period b4 restarting.or change the flooded plugsi just dont understand the engine peramitters and the design concept even Fiat can't give me an answer that's what is soooooo frustrating i appreciate your time.thanks. Crank, but nothing. Oil usage is all in how you drive it. FF49A8F5-F8F2-413E-8B30-852AE399DB29.jpeg, D1432E99-EA2E-461E-9176-AA29ABAA1D75.jpeg. So, check the fuel pump fuse and replace it if found blown off. I used the push in release on the right of the column to move the gear shift out of park to neutral and tried to start. 2017 Rosso Abarth Brembos & Recaros, Spiderdome, Weathertechs, 3" Seatbelt extenders and Ameridan's Tweaks. The car sat for two weeks and although it started on the first crank, it did idle super rough. If your 500 won't start, be happy if you see the check engine light. You are using an out of date browser. When the starter isnt functioning, it is impossible to start your car. I put key in the ignition and turn to start, I can hear the fuel pump and for a very split 1/2 second it sounds like it may turn over, but then goes into a whining no compression/no spark sound. If they are loose or corroded, it acts as a barrier that can keep the starter from getting the voltage it needs to crank the engine. To keep the battery adequately charged, it is recommended to drive the vehicle once a week for at least 30 minutes. According to some googling, apparently this is a common issue - something about a starter solenoid? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Anyone here can shed some light on this issue. If there appears to be green or white on them or the terminals, cleaning them may be what your 500 needs to get back on the road. Visual inspection for discoloration / etc. After sitting for awhile my electronic throttle control light comes on. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. That is RIDICULOUS, Cheryl. I do not get a clicking sound, so I am wondering if I suddenly have a bad solenoid. It is about 7oz but not a huge deal with how this engine uses oil in general. Broken cam belt? All I can attest to is that it wouldn't start no matter how many time I tried until I put oil in through the top. 3. Hello all; my 2012 Fiat 500 Sport 72k miles wont start or crank. I finally found out why my 2012 fiat 500 sport with 48000 miles on it wouldn't start sometimes and sometimes it would fiat dealer didn't have a clue. 10k km in and no issues since. Press the gas pedal all the way to the floor. I have a 2012 Fiat 500c and the headlights don't turn off with the engine off or on, with light control off also. Do you have any "add on" accessories like a remote start or anything like that? The dealer told me that they have had a number of reports of the same thing and the new cars in their lot they regularly have to take a booster battery to start them. http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion, Stereo keeps playing after my car is turned off. You lose more the harder its pushed through the AOS, not due to bad rings or burning oil. I've read pretty much all the threads on this and it's actually happened to me last season and I was able to fix it by simply doing an oil change which was necessary anyway. Fiat / 500 / 2013 / after sitting for awhile my. They got me for 250$ because my spark plugs were "fouled" allegedly at 30 k miles and wouldn't proceed with fixing my car that didnt fire like this without changing the plugs first and I was out of the country. Immediately restarted it again and all was good. Easy fix, no big deal. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mine regularly stands for a week no problems. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Here's what worked: If it needs oil pressure to start maybe the oil filter drains. Michelin Pilot Sport 3 Plus tires, STS rear sway bar, Euro+Drive NA 500 Tune, BMC reusable air filter and Spare Tyre with cover. No "whirr whirr whirr whirr" noise of the engine trying to turn over. Sometimes faulty ECM may be the reason for the non-functional fuel pump. Alternatively, you can test the battery yourself with a voltage meter. You want to do it in intervals. They advised me that there is a recall for a upgrade in the data system but that it. My worst case plan is that if they're going to tear the engine apart, might as well get a swap of some sort. If your 500 isnt getting enough fuel, or any fuel at all, it may have a bad fuel filter or a bad fuel pump. Start by taking a look at the battery posts. I cranked it for an extended time and TaDa it fired up and ran fine. To start a conversation, click our username then select the start a conversation button and send us your make, model year, and mileage for us to review. 2013 Fiat 500 Sport AT, Xpel Ultimate Clear Bra, 3M Crystalline Window Tint, Black top stripes, Black "500" (wide) side stripes. Fouled would be black, sooty and moist. Simple tests such as checking the battery with a voltage meter or scanning it with an OBD II scanner can really narrow down your list of potential causes. The most common causes that hinders normal starting operation of your Fiat 500 are dead 12v battery, corrosion on battery terminals, and dead key fob battery. This is what the spark plug looked like when I pulled it out. JavaScript is disabled. Thats why it is so important to check everything. pull the relay that is a safety to prevent start if the clutch is not in and jump it. A battery charger or one of those jump start battery boxes could be helpful too. SEE, I think it's a 15 pin plug and two wires change on the plug fro 95 to. It can take several tries before the oil pressure builds up in the cylinder head to actuate the valves. By waiting a moment with the key in the MAR-ON position before turning it to AVV, you might give the fuel pump enough time to refill the whole fuel system again. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Not sure if and when I will be able to drive it again? Fiat 500 won't start - causes and how to fix it; Fiat 500 bad mass air flow sensor (MAF . BATTERY IS GOOD SINCE RADIO AND LIGHTS COME ON WHEN I TURN THE KEY. Rick- Car in heated garage unlocked?? Just pouring oil in won't put any oil directly into the brick. A contractor working on my roof threw a heavy board off the second story and broke my back so I've been laid up for 2 months and counting. Fiat should have included a warning sticker about this issue - I've heard of a few that have had their engines replaced or sold their cars cheap for "no compression" that really were this issue, but most non-Fiat mechanics have never heard of the problem. And then I couldn't get it started again. I just need to get it started so I can drive it to Fiat dealer to get the flash for the PCM, how old is your battery my 13 sport did same would crank but not start I replaced battery with new one and she fired right up good luck, Did it have a sound of no compression? I have had not had this issue, keep us informed and let us know how it goes. You could always swap springs/shocks from someone with a Pop. It is highly likely that if the engine is cranking but not starting that it has thrown an OBDII code. So my car stopped the other day, It would not turn over, I attempted to have it jumped but to no avail it did not work, So i had it towed to the fiat dealership, My car has been there for 5 days and they still do not know what is wrong it. Waited a couple of minutes and did it again and it started. Would have it ride a bit smoother. Look at the tips of the plug, not the threads. Heres a great diagnostic chart that can walk you through diagnosing why a vehicle wont start. Join our community to talk about all things Fiat 500 related. Could it be possible the MA Brick lost its prime? Your 500 needs 12+ volts to start its engine. OTOH, if you don't hear anything from the starter at all (no "click"), then it's an electrical problem other than the starter itself (i.e. Has the car been sitting perhaps a few weeks? There was juice to the instrument panel and the lights looked strong but I jumped the car anyway with my Tundra. My engine oil was topped off. I tried to start the car every two or three weeks to avoid this but I've just gotten too busy in the last few months. Check out our discussions on the Fiat 500, Abarth, 595, engine specs, MPGs and more! A lot of early 500's had bad batteries. All fuses have been checked. Would hurt to press the brake try to shift to neutral. The dealer told me that they have had a number of reports of the same thing and the new cars in their lot they regularly have to take a booster battery to start them. 2017 Fiat 124 Spider Elaborazione Abarth A/T. if the car has been sitting for more than a month, you will have to just crank it and crank it repeatedly to build up oil pressure for the multiair system. Do not over heat the starter. Here's what worked: 1. It may not display this or other websites correctly. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. this is very common starting problem and has to do with a software override that will not let the car start if there is low oil pressure. Russ, I don't know the brand name of the pump, but it's pretty typical and nothing special. Now it won't start at all. First time required 6-7 times cranking to get it started. Yes, first is just letting it turn over a while and circulate, best done with coils unplugged so its not firing. I was, however, able to push the car so the drive shaft/transmission was not engaged. A split second it sounds like its going to catch and then it just whines like free spinning. The dealer was saying something about something being painted not allowing for a proper ground. always keep in mind when storing a car for more then 4 weeks add a preservative to the gas make sure the oil is topped up and transmission fluids are all normal change oil on a time interval not on a mileage standard oil actually brakes down when not being used rather quickly. But I didn't think I had let the clutch out too fast. I'm interested to see what is going on. Has been sitting in a pretty hot garage for. Battery seemed to measure fine before charging. There are many variables. Fiat Cares does not put any mechanics on the phone, of course, because they would not make money that way. The car has a new Battery, Alternator, Starter. This looks like an old thread, but I had this problem after our 500 sat in the sun for 3 months. It tries to crank, starter is good, battery is good and it's been on a tender. Yes I am in the US. There are many things that can cause this - the clutch/starter interlock, dead or intermittent battery, bad battery connection, etc., etc., etc. A battery charger or one of those jump start battery boxes could be helpful too. I was always tempted to use the passenger doors for general in + outery. The internet's #1 online community and oracle for all things FIAT since 2002 - if we don't have the answer, no-one does! JavaScript is disabled. It can take surprisingly long to start up. Now it won't start at all. Many different issues can cause the problem. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The good thing is, it's an easy and cheap thing to fix once they identify it; maybe they'll start stocking the part in local warehouses. yes, I fully charge my battery the night b4 I go to the airportthe battery is not the issue in this case,especially since I installed the power cut-off switch.. Well, if it's not the battery, it must be something else then. A loose connection to the battery can cause it too. No luck. 3. I just sold my full-suspension Mountain Bike because the Surgeon said my Mountain-Bike days are over. The oil pressure issue only relates to engines with the Multi-Air intake valve units - those are mostly the Twinair 2 cylinder engines and the 4 cylinder engines used in the Abarth-series. Or, you can beat the starter with a hammer. While that is going on, read the thread as @Chipshot has recommended. They didn't listen and it cost them a loaner for three weeks. One of the first things I checked. P0013 is a common camshaft position-related code. To start a conversation, click our username then select the start a conversation button and send us your make, model year, and mileage for us to review. Well I took my abarth out today after Its foray long winter hibernation and I can attest that it would not start until I got some oil in the top end - meant draining and refilling - then fires up on second crank surprisingly disappointed - oil pump design is not good Has nothing to do with the oil pump, it will get there eventually. You must log in or register to reply here. 97 it's a, I have a 2007 h3 hummer base model. My L had a bad battery from the factory. If the battery is dead, it either isnt storing enough voltage or it isnt charging enough. When a starter goes bad, they will usually not give you much warning at first. Try tapping on the starter relay while the key is turned to the ignition position. Make sure the battery is facing in the right direction when inserting it. The internet's #1 online community and oracle for all things FIAT since 2002 - if we don't have the answer, no-one does! That plug is certainly NOT fouled. Fiat 500 wont start new batt, alt,starter 6 Answers. This is the starter battery cable stud guard and what you are looking at is what holds the ignition wire on the starter soliniod as you can see its broke also corroded, Since there is no info online about this, here goes, copied and pasted from IATN. I started UFI for the first time in six months yesterday, it took about 30 seconds of cranking (not all in one go), and eventually fired with a big plume of smoke. and forgot to mention my car had been sitting for over a month without starting it up ,also all the warning lights were flashing like crazy. Bulletins exist for crank/no start and no crank/no start. Great car, fun for my wife to drive. I have a 2013 Abarth. It's all about getting ground to the starter. darn that stinks than check for spark, also crankshaft positioning sensor see if u have power going to that. I'm a computer geek, I don't know a damn thing about cars. Mark helpful Israel answered 3 years ago Further, if the car had been sitting for a month, what might make that happen? Jan 13, 2014. I have also removed the battery and battery box and checked the grounds. I have cranked it over about 100 times and just free spinning. They always deny that it could be the obvious problem. Jump starting, didn't work, for me either. Sport mode being on with default startup of the car. this has been going on since i purchased the car new in 2012..500 POP standard trans. 124 RED SPIDER MANUAL ABARTH. Would just adding that small amount of oil without draining any result in an overfill? like a switch or gear shift interlock, etc). I am also going to check for a seized alternator that I was reading somewhere in this forum. If the button cell battery in the key fob of 500 is replaced incorrectly or a battery is unsuitable, it can damage the vehicle key. There are occasions where this security system will cause the 500 not to start, such as the key fob not working. Fuel Issues If your 500 isn't getting enough fuel, or any fuel at all, it may have a bad fuel filter, bad fuel pump, or bad fuel injectors. You don't want to keep cranking as the starter can overheat/burn up. It just doesn't have enough power to start the car. Brand new battery. My car has less than 5K miles on it, so how could it possibly be the plugs? Staffed M-F 7:30am-5:30pm EST by the Stellantis Social Engagement Team. If you do let it sit, you don't have to drain and refill, the fact that it worked is just luck and was probably almost circulated before you drained it. Not sure what to do at this point. How do you know if plugs are fouled? It took me leaving it three weeks at their service department after having it towed to them twice to diagnose it correctly. Had to be towed to the dealership. CDJR dealers won't take it. It will not start but . I let it idle for about 5 seconds to ensure some oil made it to the electro-hydraulic actuators and shut it down. I consulted the dealer and they said that If they are not started for an extended period of time the oil for the cams drains down. It took a lot of pumping to get the flow started and the oil moved slowly through the tube. Staffed M-F 7:30am-5:30pm EST by the Stellantis Social Engagement Team. Oil from the valve train drain down to the oil pan. We are having the same problem and we have a newer battery. I am now charging my battery because I have tried for the past 3 days. ever notice how the relays kick on when you open the door? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Progress Springs, EC V4 intake and Intercooler, DV+ diverter valve, TR Motorsports FF10 wheels, Pirelli Pzero+ 215/45/17, GWR full Abarth Exhaust, Wilwood BBK, Redline Goods shifter and E-brake boot. happened twice. You are using an out of date browser. First, is your 500 cranking over at all (the engine spins when you turn the key? The next thing to look at when your 500 isnt starting would be the starter itself. Yesterday, I tried to start it and it turns over really fast like it has no compression. They were able to get the car started, but when they turned it off, it would not start again. There will usually be OBDII codes associated with timing-related problems, but not always. 2011,the beginning of 2012 models. How many times did you crank it with the fuse pulled? Dont just check the extra vanity mirror lights. Lead acid batteries (of any variety) do not cope well with long periods of disuse. Anywho, after 30 minutes of waiting for the flatbed (tow truck company said the 500 is too small a car to be towed on a traditional tow truck), and 100 tries at the ignition later, it just started, like it was brand new. A bad alternator can cause your battery to drain to the point it cant turn your 500 over. Only crank the starter 15 seconds at a time. If it starts up, you know the problem. Good information. We invite you to join the largest Fiat 124 Spider forum community & owners club! Same response. Thanks for your help guys! 2017+ FIAT 124 And Abarth 124 Spider Forum, 2017+ FIAT 124 Spider General Discussion Forum, https://www.caranddriver.com/features/fiats-multiair-valve-lift-system-explained, Owner Check-In Area and New Member Introductions, 2017+ FIAT 124 Spider Issues And Problems. . What does that mean? I had it happen once, the solution is to replace the bolts. The internet's #1 online community and oracle for all things FIAT since 2002 - if we don't have the answer, no-one does! Glad to hear they are taking care of you and the issue. I have read on here about a "ground strap" for the starter motor coming loose but I don't know where that is located. Faulty ECM Do check the ECM once the fuel pump is changed. 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